if they're not, there's no chance for a big deal and i can tell you this. democrats are not going to go for something that says we have all these cuts that we'll put in the budget now and maybe we'll get revenues down the road, the ways and means committee or the finance committee will decide those down the road. leader reid issued a statement that i think sums up our view, that there has to be balance between cuts and revenues, and that balance should be in terms of dollars, in terms of specificity and in terms of timing. that pretty much sums up our position. >> there had been a previous position in previous talks that three to one would be a -- >> we're not saying -- there has to be balance. obviously we're not going to take $100 of cuts for $1 in revenues. but we're not specifying exactly what that balance should be. however, it's got to be some decent form of balance. >> does making a deal that does include entitlements including medicare take away a huge weapon from house democrats? as leader pelosi believes that she has a shot at 24 seats and getting